Saturday, October 13, 2012

Conversations with my liberal friend 'Bob' 3





Hi Bob, I am in a plane without internet connection as i read this, so i can't download the rest of your letter, to which I will reply later.  I have half your letter (or less, I don't know how long it is) and I make some comments below. As you know, I am not a studious of each action, incident, etc. as to have all or most data available, and that would take time I don't have.  I guess the bottom line is that Obama is (in my view and as understand he admits on one of his books plus the friends he keeps) a full blown Socialist.  I had and have friends that are Socialists, I just understand based on my own experience under Socialism, my visiting Socialist countries and talking with people who live and lived under Socialism, plus my readings of both Socialist and Free Market Capitalists, after all that I find Socialism to be the opposite of the same identical values I cherished while I was a Socialist for some 14 years.  I believe based on all of the above, that Socialism (Social Planning by Government, enforced under the power of Government) destroys the human spirit, takes away your freedom, discourages independence and self reliance and ruins the economy.

I don't think it is a coincidence that the richest people are Socialists.  The Koch brothers put together don't have half the money that Soros has, and much less than Gates or Buffet, other Socialists. BTW, Koch made their money with Industry, creating things and jobs.  Soros is a speculator, like Buffet. like Rockefeller.

I think they turned the tables on us, and some of us did not noticed.  They stole the flag of 'social justice '  and the words liberal and progressive.   They are not liberal, progressive and definitely not proponents of social justice when they take away money from one group and the independence from the other by making them dependents of the State.  The same way unions secure for their bosses great benefits and pay, they ultimately hurt the workers by bankrupting the companies, cities, etc. where they work.  The teachers unions sacrificing generations of kids just for their own gain, are not the exception, they are the rule.   Who do unions support?

From what I read below, please note that the financial disaster that Obama 'inherited' was of his making, as I documented with a timeline on a previous.  He and his buddies forced Fanny and Freddy and even the banks to lend money to people who could not afford it.  This in fact destroyed our financial system, which is exactly what Saul Olensky (or something like that) wrote in the Rules for Radicals and Obama not just read and adopted, but he taught in class.

They created the conditions to take over the Government, and they succeeded.  Yes, there were many republicans who helped them, but the actions came from ACORN and others similar organizations and under President Clinton they abolished that Glass Eagle (or something like that) act that separated banks into lending and investing.  Remember, that was under Clinton.

I am not interested in defending every republican, in fact I disagree on many things they did and I think the war in Iraq was uncalled for. I agree that the prescription drug policy of Bush was a disaster, but if anything, a liberal should applaud it, not criticize it.

So as for the financial situation he faced when he took office, it was of his (and friends) own doing.  If banks would have continued to lend money only to people who could repay it, this would have not happened.  Find out why they violated that rule.

Now, even if he inherited that situation, what happened during the following 3.5 years?  At what point the President owns his economy?  After 8 years?  He himself said that he would be a one time president if he did not manage to bring unemployment to under x %, and like many other promises, he violated that one also.  He promised to bring the deficit to half after one term.  He called unpatriotic to raise the debt ceiling when Bush asked for it, and he raised it himself.

How about not a budget in 3 years, with two of them with complete control of power?  This means nothing either?  By Law he has to have a budget. 

How about all the other decisions he made through regulation which he could not get (or did not care to during the first 2 years) through a Law, like immigration amnesty?  That means nothing either?

When once has to overlook so many violations of the law, broken promises in order to support a person, something is wrong.  BTW, self-indulgence is also a Socialist prerogative, as while they know that so many of the things they do are either illegal, immoral and unfair, they find solace in the overall fundamentally honorable mission their doctrine demands.  In the name of social justice, millions have been slaughtered.  All is permissible to attain their extraordinarily important and just mission of compassion.  So they kill people, deprive them of their rights, confiscate what they won through their work, silence them, etc. in the name of compassion.  Interesting.  

The bottom line is that Social Planning ultimately can't tolerate dissent: they won't let some deranged people get on the way of such extraordinary mission, so there goes your individual rights, and there you go to Gulag, or worse.

About to land, so quickly: they stopped subsidizing banks on student loans?  they took that market over!!!  Instead of letting banks compete, they just took their business away.  How about they stop subsidizing supermarkets, car dealers, private medical practices, transportation, banking all together and just take it all over? Clearly that will benefit the people... no?  Then you have the perfect form of Socialism: Communism.  It never worked, but why not try again?

How taking over private business becomes a victory?

Bush had already declared the end of the war on Iraq... twice.  Troops were already planned to come back home.  Obama did not end the war in Afghanistan, we are still there but we may not be winning after he told the enemy to wait us out and he told the friends better to become friendly with the only force that will remain in place after we leave on a certain date.  That insured failure of the entire mission.

If you find that Obama and the unions don't support each other, please show me.  Until then, please accept that they are on the same side, as Dems and unions have always been.  Can you find anything unions are doing today that are good to your standards?  Can you find many examples of very bad things they are doing?   You don't see any story on that?  Should this association be dismissed as a coincidence, exception, immaterial  or aberration? 

He betrayed Poland and Czech republic on the defense agreements Bush had made with them.  He trusted Russia.  How well is that working out? 

China is taking over the entire China Seas and our weakened military won't be able to cope.


At the end of the day, the President is expected to be the Leader and the buck stops with him.  The President owns what happens under his watch and the rest are excuses.  Presidents and Governors have been able to work with legislatures of the opposite party, in many situations, and still did a good performance.  This guy that came as the unifier, divided us more than ever before and he owns the disaster we are living in.  At least that is my conclusion, for whatever is worth (Very little indeed).

I believe you mention in your letter you agree with the basic Social (ism?) ideas of Obama.  He is a Socialist, I don't think you are.  I can't change your mind, like nobody could change mine while I was a Socialist myself.  If anything, time, etc. may change your mind as I changed mine, or maybe I change mine again, but it won't be through these emails, that is for sure :)

It was interesting and a good exercise, but probably not very conductive.  If you want to talk sometimes about this or anything else, of course I am available, but the emails will probably stop because I enjoy them so I rather do this over the 'difficult and hard ' things that I should be doing instead :)     

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